The stress of this thing and only four hours of sleep makes Jack a mad monkey.

[jackshoegazer]

Eventually, everyone involved was very unhappy with the flyer for the camp out rave and so I quickly redid it in about a day and a half.  This flyer, is almost four times the size of the average rave flyer, with about ten times the amount of dj's and information, which I accomplished in about one-sixteenth of the amount of time it usually takes to do the smaller flyers.  It's 11" by 17" and folded twice.  It's a little sloppy compared to some of my other work, work I was able to be meticulous with and take my time on.  But it's better than any other flyers out right now.

However, for your edification, here is the final flyer for Ecstatic and Outlawed Productions' Labor Day Electronic Music Festival, CAMPED OUT.  (Here it is, edited, so that it all fits together in one strip.)  It has nothing to do with camping out and even less to do with techno music, but hey, fuck 'em, it looks good.

Comments

[antarcticlust.livejournal.com]

I don't think it's sloppy at all - I like it much better than the first one, which I thought was a bit dull and typical-looking. I think this last one is the best you've ever done, at least with regards to the various DJ bits. It's excellent. And NOT pink.

[jackshoegazer.livejournal.com]

Thanks, darling. I see a brazillion mistakes that could have been remedied with another two hours of tweaking. If I'd had a good week or so to work on this - it would b have been a masterpiece.

[lagizma.livejournal.com]

I would have liked the first one just fine if I hadn't seen the second one, which is better.

[jackshoegazer.livejournal.com]

Ditto. They second is just better.

[choogy.livejournal.com]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i get it! camp, like campy. as in, giant drag queen crushing a city with her platforms campy.

[choogy.livejournal.com]

... wait. gavin hardkiss? is that even a real name?!

[jackshoegazer.livejournal.com]

Gavin is real - Hardkiss is a stage name he and his brother Scott picked up when they started Djing in the 90s. (They're both really good. I've seen them live before.)

[jackshoegazer.livejournal.com]

Dude, I can't watch another episode of The Bionic Woman. I'm like waaay camped out.

[sujet.livejournal.com]

Fuck 'em it does look good!

[jackshoegazer.livejournal.com]

Thank you! Often I am accused of being "too hipster for the ravers."

[mananath.livejournal.com]

overall I like the original. It's not as busy as the final one. However I love the color scheme on the final one and I think the back looks fantastic! nice job!

[jackshoegazer.livejournal.com]

The final, youc an see everything - the original was just the cover. It would have had all the extra info too if I'd finished it :)

[skullptures.livejournal.com]

I actually like how the final version has a lot of info on it.
And I like the layout of it. So good job! :)

[jackshoegazer.livejournal.com]

The earlier version - that was just the cover, equivalent of the part with the striped dress and the city on the new one :)

Thank you!

[helpimarock.livejournal.com]

Hey, can you fix the second and third links? I thought the first poster was intriguing and I'm really interested to see what you ended up with.

"It has nothing to do with camping out and even less to do with techno music, but hey, fuck 'em, it looks good."

Hey, when it comes to anything involving the word "rave" it usually has nothing to do with camping out and even less to do with techno music and everything to do with getting high and being the biggest bunch of tards since Woodstock '99. So yeah, fuck 'em. :)

[jackshoegazer.livejournal.com]

I changed that link so you can see it now.

I do have to take minor offense to your rip on raves though. For a time they were a religious experience for me and I still love the music to this day and I was always sad to see the people who were just there for the drugs and did my best to educate my fellow raver. In the early years, many ravers were very like-minded about seeking enlightenment and I retired when this ceased to be so. So when I say I take minor offense, it's not exactly an offense but a slight pang, as if someone made a dead grampa joke, not knowing my grampa just died.

But yes, fuck 'em. I'm already getting emails from people who got the flyer who say they love it :)

[helpimarock.livejournal.com]

Oh, man, I'm really sorry, I didn't mean to offend. :(

I think we're coming from the same direction though. For clarification, I'm speaking within the frame of roughly 2000 to the present. To be fair I was always more of a yippie than a raver, but I got to be a part of some pretty beautiful raves back in the 1990s (and even have some good friends who were there at ground zero in the early/mid-1980s) and it just irritates me to no end to see how all these Gen Y brats have ruined it. I'm sure there are still good raves out there, but man I sure haven't come across any in a long time. The last one I went to (Dayton, OH ca. 2002?) someone stole my wallet, some kid tried to start a fight with my (non-dancing) friend for "not drinking enough water", and people were even shooting heroin in the bathroom. I've been to metal concerts with more positive energy. In fact, I just recounted a rave-related incident at the end of my most recent post (http://helpimarock.livejournal.com/84037.html) that typifies how I got burned by "new" rave culture when I chose to participate post-2000 and why I have (perhaps overly) strong feelings about it.

[jackshoegazer.livejournal.com]

The rave culture here was great through most of the 90's then in late 97, early 98, started to go downhill very badly - beatings, gangstas, bunk drugs, robberies, shady promoters, bad parties, etc.. so I took a hiatus through most of 98 and tried again in 99 and it had been reborn, it was great for another two years or so, and then went down hill again and so in 2002, I noticed I'd stopped making the effort to go and just "retired."

I've never wanted to be one of those, but I'm at the point where I catch myself wanting to say, "Oh kids these days!" while shaking my fist :P

[helpimarock.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I think the "Oh kids these days!" attitude becomes inevitable as we approach and enter our 30s, no matter how hip we are. It's been my experience anyway. My theory is that now our job for the next 15-30 years is to resist embracing that attitude lest we become square. But that doesn't mean we can still curse the kids silently to ourselves. :)

[jackshoegazer.livejournal.com]

Did you read Jacquelyn's post about the millenials? http://antarcticlust.livejournal.com/170192.html

Bastards, they are! But some of them are cool.

I've done a lot of studies into astrology and many of these generational differences are representative of the slow transitions of the outer planets which only change signs every dozen years or more.

[helpimarock.livejournal.com]

Ahhh, I thought this discussion sounded familiar. Not only do I remember that post, but I said a piece about halfway down in the comments.

That's interesting about the astrology angle. I never thought about looking to see if there was some sort of natural or cosmic influence that might somehow correlate to the constant cycle of generations.

[helpimarock.livejournal.com]

Anyway...

I took a look at the new poster and it looks *really* sharp. Seriously, I'm not trying to make up for offending you -- good work, man. :)

[jackshoegazer.livejournal.com]

It wasn't real offense so don't worry. Like I said, it was really just missing something that's gone. You know, it would belike if you said, "God, Fuck Charlie & the Chocolate Factory! That movie can suck a fart out of my ass!" and I got offended because I love Charlie & The Chocolate Factory, but you were really talking about the new Tim Burton one, which did kind of suck, and I love the old one with Gene Wilder, which rules. (Gene was right about the 2005 remake - most needless remake in history.)

[helpimarock.livejournal.com]

You picked the perfect example because I love Gene Wilder, I love Johnny Depp and I love all that is Willy Wonka... however, while the original movie holds a special place in my heart, I have no motivation to ever see the new movie again. So yeah, I read you loud and clear.