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* I wrote this immediately upon waking, so it's a bit disjointed, but as you'll see, so was the dream.

Dream: Weird multilevel time and reality split. In one level, I’m some sort of scientist in the future giving a report to my government about what happened in the experiments. On another level, I’m that scientist during the ‘experiments’ out in space, and another level, it is the creation of the universe, and on another level it is the story some sort of ancient techno/future mythology that mirrors the creation of the Universe, then on the last level, I am just me, reading a book about all the above levels. So, the scientist is out in space doing experiments, quantum physics sort of things, trying to determine the nature of reality and how the universe came to be. The scientist apparently starts having sort of flashback visions of this primitive/futuristic mythology, something very Shakespearian, a tragic family, a girl who dies, that sort of thing. The scientist, when he comes back to earth, all of his research and experiments is written, not in the language of science, but he has written it all metaphorically, as the story of that girl and that mythology he had the visions of. There is a psychological examination and a trial because of what he did. Now throughout the dream, I’m constantly shifting from one of these views to another, sometimes I’m reading a book about the scientist, like a fictionalized novel, sometimes I’m the scientist on trial, sometimes imprisoned in a ‘mental hospital’ awaiting trial, sometimes while he is having his visions on board the ship and while he does his experiments. Sometimes, I’m right there, participating/watching the creation of the Universe, interacting and observing subatomic particles, meanwhile I’m also watching the primitive/techno mythological/Shakespearian story. I don’t even remember coming to consciousness or the dream ending. This is definitely one of my weirdest dreams yet. I’ve never had a dream where there were so many levels going on all at once, without any sort of linear or causal format, and I merely shifted, seamlessly from one level to another.

Date: 2004-10-12 08:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abbydabby.livejournal.com
I have multi-level dreams quite often... I'd never thought to put it that way (it's a much simpler way of explaining it than I'd thought to use before).

I've never been able to explain it myself, but I have a hunch that it has to do with the varying levels of consciousness/spirituality, whatever you want to call it. The level-dreams tend to occur to me when I'm trying to sort out confusing events.

Have you read my weirdass dream yet? I posted that about an hour after I woke up, gave it some time to settle. Lots of random imagery!

What's in the air tonight??? :D

Date: 2004-10-12 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nystyle.livejournal.com
a little off topic of your post but whatver happened to my request about macedonia??

Date: 2011-01-30 12:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackshoegazer.livejournal.com
I have no memory of this. Remind me.

Date: 2004-10-12 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiwikat.livejournal.com
that sounds like a story by kurt vonnegut. have you read the book "slaughterhouse five"? in it the main character is unstuck in time and everything keeps shifting around, and he meets these aliens who have the power to look at the past present and future of every situation all at once and comprened it all. i think that sort of thing would interest you.

Vonnegut

Date: 2004-10-12 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackshoegazer.livejournal.com
Yup, I love that book. I've read everything Vonnegut has printed (I think). He's one of my all time favorite authors. I hadn't realized the similarity before. Shit.

Re: Vonnegut

Date: 2004-10-12 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiwikat.livejournal.com
yup he's a man to make ya loony. they put out a "new" book by him a while ago that was a collection of his speeches, "wampeters granfalloons and foma"... you get that one yet? if not i have a copy ya can borrow

Re: Vonnegut

Date: 2004-10-12 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackshoegazer.livejournal.com
Yup, i've got that one :D I don't own all of his works, unfortunately. Just read them all.

Re: Vonnegut

Date: 2004-10-12 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiwikat.livejournal.com
yeah me neither.... plus the ones i do have i make the mistake of lending out.... so i'm currently light a few of the ones i should have.

Re: Vonnegut

Date: 2004-10-12 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackshoegazer.livejournal.com
Breakfast of Champions changed my life, or rather made me realize I wasn't crazy and my life didn't need changing.

Re: Vonnegut

Date: 2004-10-12 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiwikat.livejournal.com
that's the first one of his i ever read. i was IMMEDIATELY shocked and enthralled. gotta thank my lit teacher from high school for getting me hooked on vonnegut.

Re: Vonnegut

Date: 2004-10-12 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackshoegazer.livejournal.com
I found a copy in a thrift store for 10 cents, and thought the title was funny, so I bought it.
OMG.

Re: Vonnegut

Date: 2004-10-12 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiwikat.livejournal.com
lucky lucky child. i had to take it out of the library. i need to get a copy of that and re readit, since i didnt really understand his style yet when i did read it.

Re: Vonnegut

Date: 2004-10-12 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackshoegazer.livejournal.com
He was the first author who had the same weird view of the world I had, and that made me realize I wasn't as weird as people had led me to believe. Than all I had to deal with was the possiblity that I was just insane.

Re: Vonnegut

Date: 2004-10-12 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiwikat.livejournal.com
i just loved how he writes... like explaining basic concepts for you as though you had just landed on earth 2 minutes ago, and making things seem so silly or beautiful etc. it's wonderous. definitely one of my favorite authors

Re: Vonnegut

Date: 2004-10-12 08:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kiwikat.livejournal.com
yeah me neither.... plus the ones i do have i make the mistake of lending out.... so i'm currently light a few of the ones i should have.

Date: 2005-04-23 03:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antarcticlust.livejournal.com
I once had a dream where I was an older man, maybe early 60's, Jewish, university proffessor (physics, I think), and my wife taught literature...we were living in Germany on the eve of WWII, and were walking home in the snow after going to the symphony. I saw ahead of us a group of SS knocking on doors and dragging someone outside, and told her to go down the ally and take the back way home. I made it to our flat after being harassed by the officers and showing them some paperwork (and slipping in a wad of bills as well), and went up the stairs to our home- it was kind of like a Bostonian brownstone. When I got there, I knew that my wife should already have gotten home, but she wasn't there. I made tea and waited up all night with the snow falling outside.

Then the dream shifted, and I was a young man in the 70's, researching the disappearance of the woman from the first part of the dream- there were these odd clues- a matchbox, a ticket stub, faded records...the apartments were bombed-out ruins, and I stepped through the concrete, trying to imagine the past. I interviewed ancient men and women who had been their neighbors, trying to discover what had happened to them. It was really strange. My dreams are very vivid, very detailed...often like this one.

Speaking of multi-level time splits, I think it's funny how we're conversing with past versions of ourselves and one another.

Date: 2005-04-23 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackshoegazer.livejournal.com
It's journaling that makes it so weird, I believe. When people meet "in real life" they often tell eachother stories from their past. Here, all we have to do is send each other links to stories we've told in the past :) Only you get them from a fresher perspective than if I'd relayed you that story from my current mindset.

Date: 2005-04-23 03:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antarcticlust.livejournal.com
It's the waiting that drives me crazy- I want the istant gratification. I see you posting replies in my mailbox as I type this, and I have no idea what your voice sounds like. It's fun, but definitely limited. But I love the feeling of peeking through someone else's past without the guilt of it being a breach of privacy.

Date: 2005-04-23 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackshoegazer.livejournal.com
I have been told I have a great voice. I do speak for a living right now, so I get lots of practice. I do lots of accents and strange voices while I talk as well. (TEASE!)

I was just thinking about that, I was like.. is there anything in the back of my journal I would not want someone I just met to read? And then I decided that I don't care, that was me and might still be me and no matter how embarassing something might be, it's a view into my person and completely valid.

Dig away! I'm curious what you'll find. (I'm trying to take my time with yours.. only a few days at a time :)

Date: 2005-04-23 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] antarcticlust.livejournal.com
It's true, I forced myself to try and write as much as possible for no audience...rather, that I wouldn't worry about peoples' reactions. Writing this journal has been a form of catharsis, and occasionally whiny and self-indulgent. It's definitely not the whole picture- but what ever is? It's a reflection, rather than a pure image, and bent in that it's unconsciously altered by those who will read it, and also due to the fact that the posts capture a moment in time that then changes as I change and am changed by it. Or something. :)

Date: 2005-04-23 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackshoegazer.livejournal.com
haha Or something. Gotta love self-depreciating humor ;)

My blog is definitely not the whole picture either. I try to write mine with two ideas in mind.. 1) I'm writing a letter to a good friend and 2) I'm writing a sort of editorial and I strike for a balance in the middle. My more personal posts, like my glaring relationship exposes and analysis, I keep friends only, a more specific audience. Kurt Vonnegut used to talk about how every writier is really writing for an audience of one. I still don't know who that person is for this blog. I'm starting to think it's for myself.

Date: 2005-04-23 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackshoegazer.livejournal.com
P.S. That's a lovely complex and detailed dream. My dreams are detailed, but I rarely remember more than a sort of bare-bones outline of what happens. For a few months, after a dream, when I passed into deep-dreamless-sleep, I would interpret the dream, summarize it's meaning into a sentence or three and then when I would wake up in the morning, I couldn't remember my dreams at all, but I would have that one or two sentence summary, so it would be like, "Last night I had a dream that I'm repressing an important emotional issue." and that it :P

Date: 2006-03-27 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anima.livejournal.com
What a metadream!

Date: 2006-03-27 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jackshoegazer.livejournal.com
I know, huh? It's the most multi-level, dynamic, interlaced dream that I've ever been able to remember, let alone describe in any sort of detail. It was like surfing multiple sephirot at once :P

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