God ain't talkin' no shit.

[jackshoegazer]

I saw one of those annoying God Hates Fags signs.  It had a Biblical footnote, Romans 9:13.  I decided to see where exactly in the Bible this fool claims God declared his hatred for homosexuals.  Let me read to you Romans 9:13:

"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

So that's God talking there.  And boy, he *hates* Esau.  Man, Esau must have totally fucked a bunch of dudes!  Uh, no.  There is nothing in the story of Esau about homosexuality at all.  Not even the slightest whiff of man-on-man action.  Esau married women and had children.  Esau was tricked by Jacob into giving up his birthright as the eldest son for some lentils.  He was kind of sad, not too bright, and apparently pretty hungry.

Therefore, can anyone here explain to me why that Biblical passage was used in a message of hate, how that passage and the story of Esau has anything to do with hating homosexuality?  Yeah, didn't think so.

Comments

[atomic-goo.livejournal.com]

That is so weird that you posted this because I JUST found out that Westboro Baptist Church is coming to UVa to picket our performance of The Laramie Project this Friday. What a collective piece of shit.

[hellocthulhu.livejournal.com]

I know there was some story back in the early books about some dude's sons walking in on him passed out drunk and naked and deciding to bugger him for shits and giggles, but that's about the closest I can get.

Maybe Esau is just a really gay name?

[pretzelcoatl.livejournal.com]

Blaaaaaaargh.

The good news is that since the news about Prop. 8 and the anger resulting from it is also motivating less crazy Christians to speak out even more against homophobia and for gay marriage. Let's hope this continues.

[jrfrench.livejournal.com]

Remember that these people are by definition irrational. Expecting them to have a coherent connection between things they cite is asking too much. Assume insanity, and it all makes sense.

[mystickeeper.livejournal.com]

The passage refers to Jacob being loved, and Esau being hated. Jacob is saved by God's love, but Esau is bad, and thus God hates him (he is beyond redemption). I think the passage is used to point out the separation between the "elect" and those who aren't worthy (which includes, according to the sign-holders, gay people).

[hello-momma.livejournal.com]

What's sad is that the head of that church was a civil rights attorney. Until he was disbarred. I saw a documentary on them and it seemed like most of the church were family members.

[dakinigrl.livejournal.com]

lentils are the new butt sex.

[fireabrokengun.livejournal.com]

I'm from Topeka (where they're from) and it's horrible. They have small children holding those signs. They put up pictures of a "sodomizing santa" That quote is odd to me because I thought that God didn't hate anyone and that he's all loving and all knowning? It's horrible to see anyone spew so much hatred for something that's so natural and a part of life for all and always has been.

[protodisco.livejournal.com]

They just assume you haven't read it and won't bother to look it up. I have thought many times of putting together a gang and busting up their hood.

The one who has been bothering me more recently is Craig Winn of www.prophetofdoom.com if you want some completely bigoted decontextualized lack of communication straight up ignorant hate.

[weishaupt.livejournal.com]

Esau was a hairy man. I always assumed it was about God's hatred of Yetis.

[labelle77.livejournal.com]

Can't explain it, but it did make me think of a post I saw the other day when someone, responding to another poster's long, nonsensical spewage of bible-thumping, said "sorry, a bible verse does not count as evidence. citing the bible is worse than citing wikipedia." and i laughed and laughed.

Over the past couple of days I've happened to run in to a lot of vocal hate-mongers... hating the poor, the gay, anyone not rich, white or privileged.... it makes me want to run out and smother everyone with love for who they are. Well. maybe everyone except for the rich white and privileged. they seem to get enough.

[nightlikeariver.livejournal.com]

those people are terminally stupid. rather than citing a scripture that's actually about being "sexually immoral" (which is, of course, depending on translation; technically speaking, anything outside of missionary in a married relationship is immoral, ha), they use some verse that doesn't have any context in their argument at hand. oy vey. freaks.

[lucidpseudogod.livejournal.com]

God does hate fags, I keep telling people to join the Church of Satan
but noooooo they just won't listen

Satan loves EVERYONE! even fags, and dykes, and especially nuns
I just don't get it

why don't homosexuals protest with

Satan will kill your God and assrape his corpse?
that seems logical and might be a nice protest theme

or, Satan thinks God has a nice ass
and a purty mouth?

I keep tellin ya if you fight for dirty causes
you have to fight dirty to win

-thou shalt not lay with a man as you do with a woman-

okay, so when God is busy helping his 'chosen' people
the jews, and like, bending over tying their shoes
for them or something

then all the homos should summon satan and get im in the end!!