Loose change.

[jackshoegazer]

Care for a drastic rearrangement of your perceptions? Wanna feel outraged? Better than a horror movie, and it's real. Watch the first eight minutes of this video and tell me you didn't think, "Jesus Fucking Christ."

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[con-grazia.livejournal.com]

I watched this film a few months ago and then downloaded the 2nd edition of it (or is this one the second edition?). Anyway, if you REALLY want to get pissed off, watch this immediately after watching "Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room." I did that with a friend the other night and couldn't sleep at all that night.

You can download the whole film from Bit Torrent and the filmmaker actually encourages it and has participated in some of the discussion on Bit Torrent forums. Certainly raises the hair on one's arms, doesn't it?

[jackshoegazer.livejournal.com]

Yes, this is the link to the 2nd edition of it.

I stay away from BitTorrent because of the number of people I know who have gotten nasty viri and things from it.

Someone else in my FL just watched a doc on corporations and came away with that same sense of everything-is-completely-fucked-let's-go-live-in-the-woods.

[con-grazia.livejournal.com]

Hmm...I've been using Bit Torrent for years with no problem at all. I use Bit Comet for the software program and usually Torrent Spy or mininova.org to get my files. Maybe it's just my good protection software. ;)

The Enron flick is very good, but very rage-inspiring. I can't imagine how I would feel if I had lived in California during the manipulated rolling blackouts.

[sarahdipity418.livejournal.com]

I think I might puke.

[schmecky.livejournal.com]

I totally just stole that icon :)

[sarahdipity418.livejournal.com]

Heh, go ahead. I don't know where I got it, but it was stolen by me long ago!

[jackshoegazer.livejournal.com]

That's how I felt. Did you watch the whole thing? I was gonna cry at the end.

[sarahdipity418.livejournal.com]

No, just the first part while I was at work. I plan on watching the rest later...when I have the stomach for it.

[jackshoegazer.livejournal.com]

Good luck. It was hard. I kept trying to be skeptical, but it was terribly convincing.

[schmecky.livejournal.com]

I actually didn't.

I certainly loathe this administration, and I definitely think there's all kinds of awful stuff we will never know about failures, warnings, and inside wrongdoing leading up to 9/11... But if I am to apply the same skepticism I would apply to a similar piece with a conservative slant, there's a lot keeping me from buying in. I don't know where any of those alleged facts came from, nor how solid they are. It feels to me like a collection of handpicked factoids from a a sea of millions, assembled to make a pre-determined point. There could be a million reasons why any of those things were done - and they could be the kinds of things that are done all the time, which may be a problem that needs to be addressed, but that's a separate issue.

I think the administration (and many administrations before this one) screwed up in countless ways that led to a set of circumstances that allowed 9/11 to happen. I think, excluding Guiliani, the response and followup has been abysmal. I think Bush ought to have been impeached and all the rest of them jailed a hundred times over by now. But I don't think they gov't knew 9/11 was going to happen, at least not specifically. Maybe I just can't face living in a country where people who would do that are in charge, but there you go.

[jenmarya.livejournal.com]

I'm glad you said that. I don't want to believe it for a moment.

But then again, there's a physics professor at BYU who wrote a scholarly paper http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
on the way the building collapsed neatly onto its footprint because the odds of that happening without placed explosives are vanishingly small. He refuses to say that the administration knew, but he will say that there are only a handful of explosives experts in the world with the ability to make that happen, that they are expensive, and that it had to have been planned. His basic issue is that there's never been an adequate report on what happened. I'm just curious: Do you agree with that statement?

[schmecky.livejournal.com]

Well, I'd be lying if I said I've read the 9/11 Commission Report, nor would I know how to judge whether such a report was adequate - but I definitely agree that nothing comes anywhere near acceptable levels of transparency in this administration, so just based on that, yes, I'd agree.

I read a book called 'American Ground: Unbuilding the World Trade Center' by one of my favorite authors, which is all about the mechanics of the collapse and cleanup. No one there suggested it was anything other than what it seems, though anything's possible. Personally, just based on what my gut says in response to all the collected info (albeit admittedly controlled) that I've come across, I think the conspiracies surrounding 9/11 have more to do with political maneuvering within the intelligence community, corporate interests in and out of the gov't, and deep gov't ties to Saudi Arabia and the Bin Laden family.

[jackshoegazer.livejournal.com]

You raise my skeptic point, that even supposing, as the evidence more than proves, I feel, that the towers came down due to controlled demolition, it doesn't mean the government did it, but *someone* did. The incriminating part is that there are WAY TOO MANY unanswered questions that that the government refuses to answer. Which make one wonder, what ARE they hiding?

[jackshoegazer.livejournal.com]

I'd rather not believe it either.

When it comes to conspiracy theories, I use the 10% Rule... if 10% of what I read is true, I am still scared shitless.

I methodically studied conspiracy theories for two-plus years (for fun and novel research) and what I found, especially reading autobiographies and exposes on the CIA, was that I wouldn't put this past our government.

I've seen several documentaries and followed up on a lot of sources and yes, a lot of experts said that the buildings could not have come down like that except by controlled demolition. A lot of theother corroborating evidence shows massive inconsistencies with the official report.

I don't want to live in a country that would do that, and I wish that this is totally wrong, that the magic bullet theory of the Kennedy Assassination is magically right, that our government doesn't kill for the sake of money and power, that they're not ruthless killers who see the majority of Americans as mindless sheep to be herded off to slaughter, controlled with fear.

I don't want to believe that people can truly be evil, because there's no other word for it.

[gutzilla.livejournal.com]

It frustrates me how the U.S. government doesn't even bother to make their lies anything less than ridiculous, barely plausible. As if to say "you know that's not the truth, but what are you gonna do?" Like the recovery of the supposed terrorist's passport for example. It's a joke.

[jackshoegazer.livejournal.com]

Look at the "magic bullet" theory (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm) of the Kennedy Assassination. How can anyone possibly expect any reasoably intelligent and sane person to accept that? It really is like the government holds up a sign saying, "You're too dumb to read this."

[wwonka666.livejournal.com]

My parent's generally live by the rule of "If it's not FOX news, it's liberal slanted propoganda" and followed by the second rule of "if you question the things our government says to us you're a liberal crazy conspiracy theorist."
It's an amazingly conducive enviroment for healthy discussion... NOT! ohh mann thank you Wayne Campbell

I love this whole Charlie Sheen thing now, he's all "I don't think these things add up and i think there needs to be some discussion" and everyone else is like "He's crazy, conspiracy nutbag theories, didn't he used to do drugs and bang hookers?"

If only Alex Jones toned it back a bit, i think people would take him more seriously. You should check out "Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove"

[jackshoegazer.livejournal.com]

I've read a lot about Bohemiah Grove. Clint Eastwood is a member :P I'm actually going to use the Grove in the sequel to Complex Pscyhe.

When Hunter died, he was talking regularly to Sean Penn about the 9-11 attacks. Hunter made a call saying people shouldn't be surprised if he was taken out because he had solid evidence that the government was behind it, then a day later Hunter was dead. Sean Penn was going to finance a book or some project about it, but then Hunter "died."