jackshoegazer: (Body/Man)
jackshoegazer ([personal profile] jackshoegazer) wrote2008-11-11 09:55 pm

God ain't talkin' no shit.

I saw one of those annoying God Hates Fags signs.  It had a Biblical footnote, Romans 9:13.  I decided to see where exactly in the Bible this fool claims God declared his hatred for homosexuals.  Let me read to you Romans 9:13:

"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

So that's God talking there.  And boy, he *hates* Esau.  Man, Esau must have totally fucked a bunch of dudes!  Uh, no.  There is nothing in the story of Esau about homosexuality at all.  Not even the slightest whiff of man-on-man action.  Esau married women and had children.  Esau was tricked by Jacob into giving up his birthright as the eldest son for some lentils.  He was kind of sad, not too bright, and apparently pretty hungry.

Therefore, can anyone here explain to me why that Biblical passage was used in a message of hate, how that passage and the story of Esau has anything to do with hating homosexuality?  Yeah, didn't think so.
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[identity profile] mystickeeper.livejournal.com 2008-11-12 04:50 am (UTC)(link)
The passage refers to Jacob being loved, and Esau being hated. Jacob is saved by God's love, but Esau is bad, and thus God hates him (he is beyond redemption). I think the passage is used to point out the separation between the "elect" and those who aren't worthy (which includes, according to the sign-holders, gay people).

[identity profile] spatz0r.livejournal.com 2008-11-12 04:41 pm (UTC)(link)
i think that's the right idea, considering the westboro baptist church is just a cult of personality populated by like 70-100 of the extended family of fred phelps.
taking a calvinist viewpoint as far as it can go, he has essentially narrowed his stream of the exempt to those who hold him as a messianic figure. those are the elect and everyone else but ESPECIALLY gay people is not.