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jackshoegazer ([personal profile] jackshoegazer) wrote2008-11-11 09:55 pm

God ain't talkin' no shit.

I saw one of those annoying God Hates Fags signs.  It had a Biblical footnote, Romans 9:13.  I decided to see where exactly in the Bible this fool claims God declared his hatred for homosexuals.  Let me read to you Romans 9:13:

"As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

So that's God talking there.  And boy, he *hates* Esau.  Man, Esau must have totally fucked a bunch of dudes!  Uh, no.  There is nothing in the story of Esau about homosexuality at all.  Not even the slightest whiff of man-on-man action.  Esau married women and had children.  Esau was tricked by Jacob into giving up his birthright as the eldest son for some lentils.  He was kind of sad, not too bright, and apparently pretty hungry.

Therefore, can anyone here explain to me why that Biblical passage was used in a message of hate, how that passage and the story of Esau has anything to do with hating homosexuality?  Yeah, didn't think so.

[identity profile] hellocthulhu.livejournal.com 2008-11-12 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
I know there was some story back in the early books about some dude's sons walking in on him passed out drunk and naked and deciding to bugger him for shits and giggles, but that's about the closest I can get.

Maybe Esau is just a really gay name?

[identity profile] castleclear.livejournal.com 2008-11-13 05:06 pm (UTC)(link)
That's Noah and his sons (after the flood), when Noah got drunk and passed out and his son(s) saw him passed out and naked. I don't believe they (he?) sexually assaulted his/their father (Noah). The Old Testament sin, as I understand it, was seeing one's father, the patriarchal elder, in a disrespectful/embarrassing way, even though it was Noah's fault he was drunk, passed out and naked.

[identity profile] hellocthulhu.livejournal.com 2008-11-13 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, Noah, that's who it was. You're probably right about the lack of buggery, but I like my version better.